The smell really made me sick. Yes I remember Miss Hughes, she was the head of Hazelwood Primary around 1946 when I started. We always had nice Rose bushes ! It is being discussed today and frequently, on my Facebook page Winchmore Hill And Palmers Green Memories. Fortunately my mother never chastised me about it. yes recall them well. Have a nice trip! Hi Christine. We used to have a grocers van come around each week, does anyone remember Mr Meadows who ran this van? Since 1970 Ive lived in the Netherlands and from 1980 am the fortunate owner of a mint condition, unrestored 1963 Jaguar Mk 2, 3.4 litre. What a lovely road it was then. I remember the Bamboo I used to go there a lot. The other memory was of the caf Doms (Dave Todd 1/7/14) where they sold really delicious ice cream too! I really love this website for bringing back all those memories stored in the depths of our brains. The Tesco replaced a cinema that used to be there, In the early 60s I saw Robin Hood,there, the Walt Disney cartoon production. I lived in Tottenhall Road until 1955 when we moved to Winchmore Hill but I remember the home made guys outside the shops on Green Lanes. I also remember Vic Madden the window cleaner. Rosalie lived in Palmers Green during the war, and provided this memory of her wartime life as part of the BBC project the WW2 People's War, an online archive of wartime memories contributed by members of the public and gathered by the BBC. Has any reader furniture in use purchased from Allen & Appleyards at 362 Green Lanes, replacing Kiltycakes Cafe next to the still existing post office? Sylvia 0 I grew in in NRC, What was there before the maisonettes were built. Where do you live now? I worked in Tesco in Palmers Green when I was 16 years old in roughly 1990. I think it was called Harvey Sports (a friend of mine had a Saturday job there) & next door was a fabric shop called Metres which sold everything from net curtains to dress fabrics and upholstery materials, The couple who ran it were very kind & patient working our how much material you needed for your windows etc. Palmers Green, Enfield A poor man's Muswell Hill, as architectural historian Nikolaus Pevsner called it, consisting of an Edwardian core surrounded by interwar estates on the borders of Southgate, Winchmore Hill and Bowes Park. Some are specific others generic. A quaint . Very interesting. The song's lyrics were written by Lewie's friend Keef Trouble, a fellow member of Brett Marvin and the Thunderbolts. The front half was a sweet shop and there was hair all over the floor, The old buzzard who cut the hair used to ask for a tip. Was sad to see it go. Oh and one of our members mum and aunt used to work there! the smell as you walked anywhere near it .lovely. Im sure Fred Rain lived in the Larches. Yes, and the gas fire which hissed and stuttered. I also was in the cubs and then the scouts,153 North London which met at the Congregational church at the end of Burford Gardens where my sister also got married around 1967 I think. N21. I think your Father was there too. Contact . Dont start me on the shops the wonderful Evans and Davies and the evocatic smell of Grouts! Hi I lived in Princes Avenue with my grandparents in 1969 and reading the comments the memories came flooding back. .and ALWAYS ordered egg, sausage & chips. He played an accordion and the drums for many of the big orchestras and hotels in central London. More please! House backed on to the river. Key Study: Leading questions and the misinformation effect - " the car Wow Thanks Richard awesome now I win the bet with my brothers!! I cannot believe Miss Hughes was still there in 1960s. Life is very different now and this great website has brought back lots of lovely memories for me. I used to work weekends 1970-1972 for Kenning Car Hire which Im sure was probably on the site you recall. Dear (if I may say so having lived in The Larches since 1937) Reg. When were all the doctors, dentists, solicitors along Green Lanes private residences? Sylvia, I. Anniversary Edition. In 1961 the company was acquired by Car Mart Sales Ltd, but retained its name. Hi Raymond Sylvia. Nothing wrong in that!..seems the 50s 60s & 70s had a lot going for them, I look at kids today and think theyve missed the best bits! I lived in Pasteur Gardens from 1960 to 1966, and went to Oakthorpe School and the Latymer. Arnos and remember Mr collier miss wastel and headmaster Mr Rossi also school nurse nitty Nora! A bus going north, was just slowing down to the bus stop opposite when three bombs fell in close proximity. No expense spared by Mr.Grout!! The shop later became Tesco. Patricia loved the picturesbut for me the sing along organ player at Capitol Winchmor ill.. why did we did disagree occasion like.ladies may comment, no rush. Between Windsor Road and Park Avenue was a greengrocers called Burkes, there were 2 Janes and Adams shops, the toy shop already mentioned, plus 2 doors from that there was the electrical shop an old sign saying Ultra Radio was still up on the front at the first floor (last time I looked). Julia. But I was answering Jenny Hs comment about the site at the top of Hedge Lane which was a car dealership etc & is now a very good Turkish Deli, which she thought had been a bomb site. OM G how I hated Grouts, I was marched in there twice a year by my mother to buy the navy knickers, beige brown high woollen socks and worst of all the liberty bodices with their horrible rubber buttonsall of which had to be worn to school until the end of May..despite a heat wave .I m shuddering to think of that shop and the humiliation it brought to me at Hazelwood Primary School. We moved to Crawley in about 1955 or 6. In those days they called a spade a spade! Laura. It was called Briggs and there was another branch down at Wood Green. Once upon a time in Palmers Green by Alan Dumayne 1988; Fond memories of Winchmore Hill by Alan Dumayne 1990; Semi-detached London, Suburban Development, Life and . Miss Gibbs. So many happy memories. (When I was a boy is banned in daylight hours this family). He suspected everyone under the age of 18 of being a shoplifter. And another question on the same side as the H&C but further towards Winchmore Hill opposite a photographers, there was a Jaguar garage. Loved it there in palmer s green even earlier where l myself grew up too. I knew of Joe performing at the Municipal Hall, Tottenham but he is not in our family tree. Yep, remember Doms very well too in the 50s. At the time Kennings had a garage in Edmonton which I remember was a Jaguar dealer so I imagine our old car hire site was the Jaguar dealer you recall and would most likely have also been a Kennings branch. A German bomber 'plane was overheadand tragically his bomb carriage was blown off, so all the bombs came down together in Palmers Green. Since the fake University of Palmers Green didn't come into existence until 1998, the good doctor is not only using two fake degrees, he is lying about when he got them! I also bought a BSA Winged Wheel from them and had it fitted to my pushbike on which I commuted from Palmers Green to Tottenham Hale every day for my Apprenticeship at Keith Blackmans Ltd. A female named Jane lived above the J&A shop. Yes, Dave, I knew Vic Madden by sight only, in the early 60s. Dads brother, Uncle Sid Rann lived at no 22. Yes, very tall, Scottish doctor with elderly receptionist and very noisy gas fire. The Sales Department was at 44-46 Aldermans Hill and Service was at 234 Green Lanes. My first girlfriend used to go there, she was one of a pair of twins, the Bower girls. Hello Jenny, Trusted memories of the museum By Suzanne Beard October 23, 2012 2 Comments If you were a child (or even an adult) in Palmers Green between 1925 and the early 1980s, chances are that a highlight of a visit to Broomfield Park would have been a nose around Broomfield House Museum. Stephen Woodward I recall Miss Bellefontaine Im exactly ten years younger that you and started at Hazelwood in 1963. I will try & search the attic for the pic & copy & send it. Happy times at Arnos school and some not so nice if you got the cane. Memories of Grouts - Palmers Green Community Forums - Palmers Green It would have been maybe late 60s/ early 70s Also I remember the very high slide in Broomfield park with concrete below scary! Thanks Wonderful area. Palmers Green - a nostalgic memory of Palmers Green Palmers Green My grandmother lived at 50 Old Park Road, opposite Bloomfield Park, and I went to school at Franklin House School in Palmerston Road from 1955 to 1960, then the Winchmore Hill Collegiate School from 1960 to 1962. two of the teachers l remember and Mr bennet was our headmaster,.true air raid shelter was at the top of the play ground. Lovely shops, great parks such a pretty place. 8.1K members Join group About Discussion About this group This worldwide local history, nostalgia and memories group has been active since 2012, we have thousands of photos in our albums and many memories and photos being posted daily. Ah yes. Palmers Green; Palmers Green Funeral Directors. Sadly the open air pool no longer exists, I believe it has been replaced by our Council recycling centre on that site. I havent been back for many years but believe the Doms cafe is still there. Hi Anna, I remember the tea shop next to t he. Other teachers were Miss Sweeny who would let you ring the bell if it was your birthday, Miss Calcott (horrible) and Mrs Dark. I remember going there with my Grandmother in the 40s/50s. I have lots of childhood memories about Palmers Green Railway Station. Remember Dr Meldrums surgery opposite Janes and Adams, and his receptionist? But you are right about the window where you got served. Grouts the haberdashers on the corner of Green Lanes and a small side road the name of which I cant recall and then a little further down, near Fox Lane and on the other side a huge white post office. We would love to hear about your memories of the area, andhow ithas changed, over a cup of tea. Koubes here are also a match for Aroma with a slightly deeper, sweeter taste from sticky caramelised onions. I remember the Coffee place & it wasnt Home & Colonial.. that was a few doors up!! They sold lovely solid, classy furniture. This marked the spot where lorries slowed, changed gear to ascend New River bridge and I would grab a tailboard chain and be towed up and up Bourne Hill by a Foden on my bicycle (not the Rudge yet) to St. Georges Road and peel off easily to Southgate County School in Fox Lane. I owe so much to your father who be came friends with my father and would meet for a drink in the COCK TAVERN. Hi Raymond, It was Sid Ran your uncle that I remember as a friend of my father, I believe I as at that party you mention but cannot recall the present I received but it may have been a small accordion. My mum had a job doing tailoring above Burtons and in school holidays I had to go in with her some days. Any idea of what it was called? I have spoken to a friend of mine who was born in the mid 30s & has lived near Hedge Lane most of her life but she doesnt remember a bomb dropping at the top of Hedge Lane. Dr Baxter used some of the rooms for his surgery and, I would imagine, must have lived there in the rest of the house. I also remember Miss Bellfountain (Spelling) she was head of the Junior before Miss Gibbs. What's On - Palmers Green Community Still beautiful. I wish I had found this page earlier as he would have loved to chatted with you about Palmers Green as that is where he had his office and owned several properties in that area. you may ask) too fashionable and hexpensive now thanks to ebay. Perhaps he moved out of the area or maybe passed away and the family sold it but thats only a guess. The garage was, or became Kennings opposite Camera Craft. We lived in Sidney Avenue from 1952 until 1961. Wow! It catered for men and women. Hi Gerry, I,m not sure but you could well be right as I do not remember any other type of restaurant there, Regards Brian. No, RIchard is it was definitely Jays but I think it was further down towards Bowes Road. I was in my late teens when it was opened. So back ome goin West? Anyway againthanks for reminding metime to order on the net, Bovril, at Sainsburys Bude, not Winchmore Hill Broadway. Im doing some research on my family who lived in Tottenhall Road where teenagers and young adults hung out. Coronation fireworks display in the park. The Dance Hall suffered badly but most of the fatalities were caused by the wrecking of the shop premises opposite on both corners with Sidney Avenue. Otherwise it was as you describe with the coffee grinding machine in the window and the aroma pervading Green Lanes. Then came the day of the first postwar consignment of new Dinky ToysI was late in the queue, all vehicles sold but I did secure a Gun Emplacement Canon. The name Bezazz brings back happy memories of the late 50s and early 60s. I remember Tom I worked opposite him at Triangle Cars for 5 years in th 60s . Michael do you remember Mr Forkin at St. Michaels school Tottenhall Rd.arranging a boxing ring with proper gloves in the playground afternoon break with you & Everett Houghton as contenders? Around the mid 60s lovely to see we all grew up in such a cherished place. I worked with a tall thin man who was the manager. Getting up early after a windy night to get conkers in Broomfield park. He must have spent a lot of time fixing kids injuries as my memory of him was from when I fell off my scooter whizzing round the garden and I damaged a tendon in my leg. We used to have all the hire vans parked on the forecourt in front of what clearly had been a showroom. I studied at Southgate County 1946-1950. I farms in Cornwall now an apologise for the grammer neglected at Southgate County Grammar (an spellins). Holborn). Annyway.back to on the North side an them basketsI remembers a cafe at this location. The coffee shop WAS on the right going towards Winchmore Hill, surely? And the wonderful smell OK sorry Lorna, but just thought the name being similar and all that. I still hanker for an ice cream like Doms scraped onto a cornet with a spatula not scooped! Memories Of Palmers Green & Winchmore Hill - a nostalgic memory of Palmers Green Memories Of Palmers Green & Winchmore Hill In the mid 50s we lived in St Georges Road Palmers Green my brothers and I went to St Georges Presbyrtarian Church for Sunday school and Hazelwood Lane Primary School. Janes & Adams was my favourite shop in Palmers Green. I now live in Bedfordshire. Further up another pet shop Hoopers? although i dont remember it having a cafe, maybe it did before my time though. I would dearly like to know what Bruno did/go next, does anyone know pleasealso did anyone know a window cleaner same era, bit of a wide boy,one of two brothers, called Vic Madden, not to be confused with an actor of a similar name. They ran the cafe on their own with no other help. I also remember being taken into a shelter during this time due to the `doodle Bugs, although I was only about 3-4 years of age. The mention of Grouts brouht back many memories. & knickers etc. I have found on the website for Enfield Sports that the swimming pool was closed in 1979 it was probably too old to justify renovation and the annual maintenance costs pity, we had most enjoyable swimming afternoons there. Barrowell Green pool was always on the cards in the summer! The bombs which fell in Green Lanes/Princes Avenue referred to earlier were caused because one of our anti-aircraft guns which were mounted on the railway line shot off the back of a plane carrying bombs to drop on London and the whole stick fell there. Going back toward Hedge Lane on the North sideremember a chap who used to make basket work/wicker goods/walking sticks? Our Dad would pay the 2/6d, and pick us up 45 minutes later as he worked nearby. I lived in New River Crescent 1950, 60s and 70s. Great times, scooters, mods, good jukebox, used to go upstairs. Bruno was my neighbour in the flats above the shops on the N Circular Rd and round the corner to Bows road He moved from the Quick service cafe to the Bezazz and as you say it was the hub for many. It is open on Sunday afternoons from 2.00 to 4.30pm Model Boating Pond The Model Boating Pond was dug in 1903, shortly after the opening of the Park. Will email direct (appy Famiily memories agin, eh? Palmers Green Cremation - In Memory Of Life Funerals So my boyhood dreams finally became reality! FUFU - Chinese dining at its best in Palmers Green by Ellie Sales. Winchmore Hill And Palmers Green Memories - Facebook My brothers and I were trying to remember where the furniture store Jays was located in Palmers Green, can someone help. Far nicer than some well known overated areas of London. Can anyone help? Also went to Hazelwood Lane school then to Winchmore school previously. This was a more calm shop selling much the same things as the other one. Happy searching, Sylvia Gambin. Opposite were the cottage gates where Italian Prisoners of War sold the plaitings of straw for pocket money. I was born 1935 in Clapton E. Clapton Mothers Home, but my Mum was born in 1917, er Mum born in St. Pancras Workhouse (next to St. Pancras Station Lunnon) of them days.,Mum went to skool in Islington of very poor (financial m,barrased) parents (both boxmakers on the premises)annyway er memories included bein sent from er classroom in Islington with a friend as escort on the tram to Ulleswater Road, Palmers Green, becos er teacher ad left certain documents behind (or wassit sanwiches (any teacher memories ere?). Im sure he was in my class at Winchmore? It was quite good really if you wanted a weatherproof coat and were prepared to go in! Sylvia Gambin. Yes.thats where I learnt to swim. Mrs Gibbs, Mr Roper, Mrs Langford(Nee Anstey) Mrs Potts, Mrs Buchannon, Mr Hollingsworth, Mr Streatham,Mrs Chapman, Mrs Rupert, Also the caretaker who was aptly named Mr Moody. Best wishes I also remember Burtons at the triangle and having a girl friend who lived in Tottenham road and the estate agents around Doms cafe including Dennis, Maxwell Miel who had a reg. As I was only young then, I have no idea why that happened. Steak Chips and peas 2/6p and the included bread and butter, I remember going there with my Mother and having lovely ice cream in a silver sundae dish. I especially appreciate the care and teaching some of us received as St John Ambulance cadets. Hi David On the corner of Aldermans Hill and Devonshire Gdns was the United Dairies shop. Does anyone have a photo of prewar broomhill park with its original railings? 23 Green Lanes, Palmers Green, London N13 4TN, UK. I suppose those of us `of a certain age` have lots of war memories stored away. Clock out 5.30 pm and ride home. He took the train each morning from Palmers Green station. There was a bank on one corner of Sidney Avenue which had also been hit. For the coronation, we all went to the Ritz not on the day itself to see it on the big screen. Seiferts (e the owner of the Studebaker Car and Parker Pen (2/6d for cesstificats after the War) practice. 213 p. 239 halftone & black & white line illustrations. I grew up in New River Crescent during the 1960s. Sylvia. I lived in Tottenham rd during the war and remember being wrapped in a tartan rug and carried out side by my dad who was an air raid warden to see. Seifert refused to save my an my Dads life in the 40Sannyway no ard feelins e saved my life later..,as for Tottenhall Roadmore our memories istories. Yes the coal man also had a horse and cart to make deliveries. Dave then joined him at Kelvin and we became great mates and we would go to Arsenal matches together. Before Victor Value there was a lovely old music hall. Church under rev. When I lived in London and just started my business Aubrey would do most of my black and white printing and I also did a few weddings for him. Making own fun! Reg I remember you from St Michaels at Bowes, I recall you had a interest in meteorology, and went on to Arnos School ans I went to Winchmore Hill Secondary. Gerry, my email is g.hicks@msn.com would like to know more as cant use laura@yahoo.com my mail is returned. I was at Winchmore when Mr Shepherd was there as Head. In the late 60s, early 70s a small ladies shop appeared near Burtons. I have very clear memories of it. Thanks Richard for the update on Vic, knew him from his window cleaning business in P.Green, cups of tea in Doms cafe & long discussions on where to go for the next holiday in Spain. The price stickers rather than bar codesThe staff cafeteria the bag searches as you left the building after a shift etc etc. Our dentist was Mr Finkel and I remember a story about a wall falling down by his house and squashing someone! Palmers Green Community Directory: Local History/Local Studies Dinky toys and we once had a red motor bike (brand new) for sale. Footnote: Dad an is fellow freelances performed under aliasis to avoid problems with HMCRC.why else am I cultivatin a full Santa Claus beard5 months to go! Hi Jenny, slightly different location, a bomb did fall near the intersection of Green Lanes & Bowes Rd/N.C.Rd opposite Princes Ave. People were killed and the site was eventually leased by two brothers and used a a used car lot space called Keith Cars until the late 70s. It was a super meeting place for a great crowd, all feeling very sophisticated drinking coffee from glass cups. 2sainsbury s & 2 Macfisheries , 2 China shops Lawleys and Moors or was it Muirs. I was born in Southgate in October 1936 and lived with my parents at 6 Tintern Gardens until September 1956, when they moved to Willingdon, Eastbourne. Thanks Dave. Yore Dad probably employed my Dad (as a freelance) their musical doins seems to ave run parallels. Was it also another name? Sylvia. I cannot recall any other bombs round that area. I bought my red Mk III Ford Cortina from Keiths in the mid-late 1970s and my maye, Dave Todd bought a bright yellow one from the same dealer as I recall. . He retired in about 1956 when I was 11 and the house was demolished after that and the land must have been sold to a developer who built the maisonettes. Opposite Grouts well almost. My understanding is that the building was originally built as a roller-skating rink, and then became a garage of sorts with just a few pumps virtually on the pavement. Miss Hughes was head of the infant school. I had the best 7 years of my life with Victor, but sadly he died only last month, February 7 of cancer. Annyway Mike Ovenden was our form springboard expert at both Barrowell and Arnos Grovetho I seem to remember that Jackie Brown at the Pool was overall open diving champion. You done a bit of boxing? Dad did buy furniture at A an Asand all else for Elsie (my Mum) without consulting er. An abundance of dress shops and Evans and DaviesAn unforgetable shop that sold everything. Now retired living in Strawberry Hill. Little did we know when we saw Shirley Bassey at her first performance, that she would go on to become such a great star. Did you have a brother named Terry Hicks. I also recall Roberts toy shop on the other side. Its great. Dordrecht, Netherlands. He was very tall, very Scottish and prescribed bottles of Minadex (green and foul tasting) for almost all childhood ailments! Remember the Windsor Caf. I lived in Windsor Road from 1965 to 1970 and I remember a sweet shop called The Windsor we always called it the red shop as the front was painted red. He made me move it in all directions to see what damage Id done and he really hurt me but he was so stern that I was too scared to complain and laid there with my eyes filled with tears but kept a stiff upper lip and wouldnt cry as that would have been seen as weak! The headmistress, Miss Hughes must have been about 110, My class teacher was a woman aptly named Mrs Dark a horrible and spiteful woman.