The two stereo tapes were stored safely in a vault for over three decades before anyone thought of taking them out for remastering. Early, late, etc? I agree Crosley is the devil. Though T has been suggested as referring to Terre Haute, it remains likely a Bridgeport pressing suggested by the label fonts. Columbia went down the letters to a certain point and then started double letters (AJ) so I'd say that was fairly early. 4 Imperial Packing Co., Inc. of Indianapolis, IN With Indianas convenient central US location, equidistant to East And West Coast, and a short distance for Illinois, it was possibly more economical to manufacture covers centrally and ship to pressing plants, but it takes some explaining why Kind of Blue promo jackets were manufactured at two locations, unless they were also being pressed at two plants Terre Haute and Bridgeport or even three, Hollywood, hence the code 6. 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Green Dolphin Street was recorded just before the Kind of Blue sessions and features the same line up John Coltrane tenor sax, Bill Evans piano, Jimmy Cobb drums and Paul Chambers bass. Beatles 2022 Revolver Mono in the box: stereo jacket? | Steve Hoffman and we'd love to turn you on. Early letter-denominated mothers and stampers were used to press further copies with the corrected label for Side 2. It's possible to finD KOB and Milestones in Mono via Music on vinyl. Besides, I said nothing about paying attention to what they said about the vinyl under review; my intention was for people to read what was said about the state of the master tapes, how the most recent mono and stereo mixes were made, etc. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Or the mono tapes went missing. Stereo promos, like mono,dont follow any -1A -1B -1C patterneither; they are E, K, AC and AE. cwitt1980, 2 minutes ago. Perhaps the always moving, always restless Miles, never bothered to listen or simply didn't notice. I can understand why people rave over immense Klangfilm field coil open baffle loudspeakers in a single mono configuration. Also, I've known a few people who bought one and then later upgraded when the used-record bug started biting. The majority of 1A and 1Bmatrix pairs are found as Side 2 paired with a higher letter on Side 1 (e.g. The record industry says, conservatively,one master lacquercangenerate at least five mothers of acceptable quality, each mothercan generate atleast five stampers, with each stamper capable of pressing around 4,000 albums. Maybe theyre in your garden shed. Now I'm curious if I should drop more cash on 'Round About Midnight Columbia Mono they just released. Before the sacred tapes were returned the vaults, a copy of the 50th anniversary remastering was transferred to a high resolution digital file. Quite a lot, as it happens. Progress, what is it with that word that it manges to bug me so often? That said, they are BOTH fantastic. A further five lacquers account for the next quarter of all mono copies: A, B, AC, AD, and AJ. Three jacket manufacture codes fits with the Columbia distributed manufacture model, and fits with there being three pairs of lacquers in use for the promo one pair to each of Columbias three plants. He was making music..and he didn't care if it bothered someone trying to play along to the album later that it sounding sharphe was interested in the pocket. Read John Marks' account of hearing the three-track master tape at Sony Studios. Pour a glass or cup of your preference and press play. http://www.musiconvinyl.com/catalog/miles-davis/kind-of-blue-mono#more, Question about Music on vinyl and Columbia/sony legacy, the speed "error" situation.is not an error or oversight. All promos (and very early commercial pressings) have the Side 2 track-listing error. my copy says Music on Vynil launched on black friday with serial n. The Radio Museum website lists several Hoffman consoles from 1959 which is a plausible year for one of the early stereo "two-box" style consoles. Did the 2022 Revolver mono vinyl LP from the box set come in a stereo jacket? Controversial in some quarters, but I agree. Anyone who thinks this has never been in a proper recording session and doesn't know any real recording engineers. Beatles, Sinatra) that I can compare to modern vinyl or CD releases, but admittedly that doesn't help with Piper since it's a case-by-case thing. AH 19th; AJ 20th; AK 21st; AL 22nd; BA 23rd; BB 24th; When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, These identifiable early stereo pressingsare pictured below. Kind of Blue - Rate Your Music http://www.analogplanet.com/content/miles-davis-kind-blue-monophonic-reissue-sonylegacy-analog-planet-exclusive. Mono vs. ), Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. I'd like to thank you for all the valuable advice that I've been able to glean from your Stereophile column over the years. OP, I can try to explain it but it's only after people listen to it that they get it. They all sound good but the SACD is sublime. Sign up to receive our Wednesday Breakfast Headlines, Miles Davis Kind of Blue (Deluxe) (Music On Vinyl MOVLP-019. You are right, I don't see on the record store web site the second date for this year. Dylan and The Beatles were far more interested in the mono mixes because they knew that's how most fans would be listening at home and especially on the radio. I, Play the Impulse mono`s with a true mono cartridge. Not just the . I even threw in the 90's SBM cd for the hell of it. The 81 is the only mono Pepper that impresses me. Mostly these are high values like BC/BGand BH/BJ , close to the CBS overprint and transition to two-eye label (1962/63) where lacquers from the third cohort 1CA to 1CL begin to appear. Give me a rest from dissecting records. A possibly dumb question about reprocessed stereo and mono switches You have no way of proving whether their opinion is biased or not and your own opinion of them possibly being biased could be claimed to be biased in itself. However with very much fewer auctions, and fewer sellers still identified the stamper codes,little more likely to be learnedin return for muchgreater effort. There's zero evidence the speed issue was anything other than a technical fault with one of the tape machines. Though inexplicably they don't list the dates! G 7th; H 8th; J 9th; K 10th; L 11th;AA 12th; Mono/Stereo is a big zone of interest for all jazz fans and record collectors, why not give it another airing, with a new focus. Even *if* Macero had been involved, any changes he would have made would have been at the mix stage, not the recording stage. All Blues is a series of five scales, each to be played as long as the soloist wishes until he has completed the series. It was remixed properly. It is not staid, especially side 2. It got me "in the room" or studio, with the guys, where mono just did not, so I find it kind of (sorry) bizarre that, under almost any circumstance, mono would be the preferred medium where stereo is available. (The fault in the tape recorder which caused this had been corrected by the time of the second session in April.) Press operators at this time have stressed that their two priorities were to ensure Side 1 and 2 were correctly matched, and that the labels were completely dry. (Yeah,they start with an A.) I'd say 4th pressing since 1A,B,C were first pressings (A to NJ, B to Indiana, C to CA) and so D,E,F, would be second press, G,H,I would be third and J,K,L would be fourth (etc.). Both mixes on HDTracks are completely NEW remasters. Canadian pressings, from 1954 through 1971, were pressed by Quality Records Ltd. for Columbia Records Of Canada Ltd. I'd stick with the stereo, that's the version everyone raves about. Featuring Evans at his most mellow and cheery, moody bass modulations by Chambers, notable fast-shuffle boogie drums by Cobb, rich slabs of Coltrane sax, and slalom-sliding trumpet by Miles in joyous Surrey With a Fringe on Top style it might come from a different sound world to the lonely, modal Kind of Blue tunes, but Green Dolphin Streetis nevertheless a blue ribbon bonus track. The three-track recording produced three distinct channels and nothing you could legitimately call "stereo". Mono VS Stereo - Which One Should You Use - And Why! - Wealthy Sound But just to make it crystal clearTao has gone on record many times to state he was always futzing with the speed of Miles's tracks to make sure the "groove felt right". Hoffman console? | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo Discussion Forums Hence the stereo (but not the mono) releases of Kind of Blue and virtually all the releases were stereo had always had those three tracks playing at slightly the wrong pitch. Though not documented as far as I have seen, Terre Haute appears to have used some sort of mother and stamper identifier a T followed by an alpha TA, TB, TC probably mother A, mother B, or mother C, then a simple hand etched line counter for the stamper identifier, shown here below: Having two or more lacquer sources, it is surprising mistakes were not made pressing a record with two Side 1s from side 1 stampers from separate laquers but this never seems to have occurred, so there is probably some other form of process control which we dont know about. Since neither mono tape surfaced it must be assumed they were repurposed or stolen. So, would you consider the stereo "unfolded"? I dont know if this was the case during the original release, but seeing that sometimes it was intentionally done to get a different result it brings in to question the validity of the subsequent remasters. the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. Check out www.recordstoreday.com. Those who have recognized it have shared many wild theories. I usually like it when you're reactionary, but this seems kind of pointless. Those lacquers existed, and were put into service from 1963 onwards until the early. A lacquer pair includes Side 1 and Side 2 of the record. Perfect consistent quality. Don't prejudge! This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. You can 'see' further into the mix and hear a clear delineation of direct and echo chamber sound as well as what sounds like 30th street studio room sound. One even declared it was the first pressing because the matrix suffix started with a 1 (simply original tape mix, like all). In all likelihood they simply canned the misprinted labeland replaced it with a fresh print-run, as Macero requested. ORIGINAL! Does your copy say "Music on Vinyl"? I purchased one of the Dino-Lite USB microscopes and intend on using it to see how well my RCM is working. With 1D (different printer and pressing location?) Kevin Gray: Columbia used PAL and PBL prefixes for side 1 and 2, and A and B suffixes for the Santa Maria, Ca. For this reason, it doesnt really matter whether your copy is a Bridgeport, Pitman, Terre Haute or Hollywood. Usually this meant speeding up the playback to keep things sounding tighter.he usually did this by wrapping the capstan of the machine with thin splicing tape. Was looking at the RSD mono re-issue of KOB but just learned that it didn't come from the original mono masters. Instrumental timbers are natural and textures rich. If I can have a choice between Stereo & mono I always take the mono-album. The two bonus tracks are of particular interest. There may have been 27 lacquers cut but many letters never appear, and only a limited number of lacquers appear to have been actually used for pressing. I wonder how a fancy (like Mikey's German unit) or homebrew ultrasonic would do for getting the embedded plastic grunge off? Nothing is sold at gun point. Affiliate programs and I just received my RSD numbered copy today and it has the same feel as my original pressing. This was effectively the first identifiable pressing,running up to the August 1959 launchand during thefirst three months of sales. Stampers had a limited life of maybe around 4,000 pressings, well within the range of promo requirements, fits with one-plant theory, and distributed manufacture counter-theory. A stereo record contains separate left and right channel information on each groove-wall at a 45-degree angle from each other.The groove is a more complicated shape with both lateral and vertical information. I've inherited more than a few LPs that are "reprocessed stereo" or "electronically enhanced for stereo effect" and other words to that effect. Also what comes to trusting the recommendations of people on audio forums, I stopped paying any attention to what critics of any kind music, audio, or otherwise have to say years ago, but the people who write their opinions on audio forums I have equally low faith in. 1A/1AE)with the Side 2 track-list error corrected, so stereo lacquer 1A was used only in later pressings, not in any early stereo pressing run. If you listen to this audio over numerous speakers, the identical call will be replicated to each of them. It is a blue coloured record. Though many different permutations eventually occured, almost half of all mono copies were pressed from only three laquers: D, J, and AE. And remember: with limited tracks available in the early days of multitrack recorders, groups would record and fill all four tracks then mix those down to one track. Of all the large number of combinations of lacquer pairs, just two stand out as being symetrical: 1D/1D and 1J/1J. If you are familiar with any DCC audiophile releases, then you already know Steve. and E and F for Pitman N.J. Six (or more) sets of lacquers were usually cut for any big-name artist, so the very first mastering would be 1A,1B,1C,1D,1E,and1F. (Note however there is potentially contradictory information come to light on manufacture of promo jackets. There is no real distortion on any version of KOB that I own but there certainly IS the sound of reeds vibrating. Ebay auctions of Kind of Blue on six-eye label over last three years where, seller identified matrix on both sides (198 commercial releases, 218 in total including twenty promos). Les enregistrements s'effectuent en deux sessions avec le sextet de Miles Davis, compos des saxophonistes John Coltrane et Julian Cannonball Adderley, des pianistes Bill Evans et Wynton . For more information, please see our The promos were thought to be both pressed at Columbias Bridgeport Connecticut plant, according to W.B.s update, given the consistent label print and type-setting on the two versions. Twenty sevenlacquers of Kind of Blue were cut. Epais comme un vinyl de pressage us. I don't hear it throughout the record. Sorry, guys. For the conversion of the signal to sound, mono sound requires one channel. If you love this record (and who in the world does not? I'm not going to write about the modal music here. The masters were digitized and corrections/edits made. Some of these later re-releases from later generation mothers are better than others.and you may "prefer" the slower speed of the re-mastered "corrected" versions.you may "prefer" the re-mixed (terrible) versions as welljust know that they are not 100% the original intent of the artists involved. Luckily for vinyl fans, the story doesnt end there. And sometimes each version has its own equally attractive but different qualities.

. 1A/1D. I've got several of the Wilder/Sony Miles Davis mono RSD 180g remasters and I'mveryimpressed with them. It looks like all of these were mixed at 24/192k (not in the analog domain). Miles Daviss spiralling, restless trumpet on Freddie Freeloader and its seesaw insinuation on All Blues, Bill Evanss delicate, meditative haiku of a piano in Flamenco Sketches, Coltranes silken, slithering tenor lament on Blue in Green, Paul Chambers low, slow heartbeat of a bass, the soft, considered percussion of Jimmy Cobbs drums and the pulsing tick of his cymbals are all immaculately rendered. One of the few samples found where the matrix codes Side 1 and Side 2 are taken the same lacquer. Miles Davis' The Original Mono Recordings: A Buyer's Guide By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Looking forward to Jazz Track too. Mono and stereo promos were pressed in Bridgeport, and the label fonts were the exact same as would later be used by Pitman. A small number of lacquers were responsible for generating mono and stereo promos, said to be manufactured in one plant, Bridgeport CT (WB New York, based on characteristics of centre label typesetting) though contradicted by local jacket manufacture codes accompanying promos. ), Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. The prime stereo tape recorder had been running just over one percent slow, so on playback and during the mastering of albums it ran a little fast. The above example on loan from a friend has 1D/ 1G stamper matrices, the Side 2 label track sequence error, but more interesting are the T/ TA stamps on the opposite side of the deadwax. More drive, more punch. The tracklisting sequence error went uncorrected on the jacket for a further three decades, though some sellers confuse the label error and the cover error suggest the error on the cover is somehow proof of original provenance. Have you read Fremer's review? So when I read imbeciles claiming Columbia used it into the 1980s because some records sound "better" with it, I get a bit crazy (er). Over the fouryears of the six-eye label, fresh pressing runs would draw on the stock of lacquers, a general chronological drift, but many mismatched stamper combinations. They should be booted out. Good luck, L edition numrot de 2015 Dans un emballage carton bleu. Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" Monophonic Reissue From Sony/Legacy: An Other fonts were used by printers for other plant locations. And it makes sense in local marketing expertise: getting promos to their local radio station disk jockeys. On Blood on the Tracks the speed up was also done intentionally, and Teo Macero was known for his fiddling with the tapes, without him Bitches Brew would have come into being. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by youraveragevinylcollector, Mar 22, 2016. He claimed back then that sometimes they would vari-speed tracks slightly to change the tempo. 1B/1B, 1B/1C, 1B/1E, 1B/1H, 1B/1J, 1C/1D, 1C/1F, 1C/1G, 1C/1H, 1C/1J, 1D/1AC, 1D/1D, 1D/1E, 1E/1D, 1G/1H, 1H/1L, 1J/1B 1AA/1F, 1AA/1G, 1AD/1AF, 1AE/1AG. When stereo appeared, I was overwhelmed (pace the ping pong crap). A further four lacquers BB, BG, AL and BH, take us up to the three-quarter mark of all stereo copies manufactured. DE 49th;ad infinitum. Unfortunaltely everyone is issuing the same LP's and no does a review comparing them all. Worse: later, rare combinations such as 1AC/1AA are found with and without the Side 2 error. I love the latest MFSL 2LP 45rpm, rapidly became my go to copy. Kind of Blue - Mono vs Stereo - Head-Fi Price: US $9.99. Now I'm bummed. Instead of three lacquers, over thirtywere in use, out by a factor of ten. cwitt1980 Senior Member Thread Starter. Though lacquers were cut and numbered sequentially at the point of manufacture, for Kind of Blue at least, they were not drawn for use sequentially. Macero wasn't even in the same time zone during the second KoB session; he was in LA producing Dave Brubeck's Gone With The Wind, his first production. I guess I'll buy the MOFI 45RPM version as well, but now fremer got me into the MONO version. In another development, stereo copies with 1AG and 1AH and mono copies with 1AF and 1AJ have been turning up with aletter T and alpha suffix T,TA, TB and TC found stamped mechanically like the matrix stamp. Regarding the mono edition, it can be argued thelacquers used to generate promos are the genuine first pressing, then 1A,1B and 1C and a handful of 1D among the very earliest commercial release copies, evidenced by the presence of the Side 2 label track-listing error. Mono vs Stereo: The Complete Guide | HiFiReport.com Yes, its not as ethereally spacious, but it better layers and balances the instruments in my opinion and if you remain unconvinced that mono can produce three-dimensionality, this record will convince you. Others' opinions can be useful as reference points but no one should ever take someone else's opinion and blindly make it their own. this can result in this site earning a commission. Evidenced by the Side 2 track-listing error, mono lacquers A, B, C and D (any onboth sides)were used in the first pressingrun, together with a small number of others: a minorityof D1/D1 copies had the track list error, and one 1H/1D (1H lacquer used also for promo) was found with the erroneous label, though there may be others. It has been lost and missing from the Columbia vaults for a very LONG, LONG time. Have a look. 2 sense. I reckon sales of KoB wasmaybem between 1959 and 1963, pure guesswork. In the case of KOB, you would need to at least hear the mono before rendering a judgement as to which you preferred! and our the site simply writes whatever their advertisers tells them to, so just follow the recommendations given by your fellow forum members. No other letters were found. Only the letters A to L were used, excluding I: A 1st cutting; B 2nd; C 3rd; D 4th; E 5th; F 6th; G 7th; H 8th; J 9th; K 10th; L 11th; AA 12th; AB 13th; AC 14th; AD 15h etc -. The love and care taken by Music On Vinyl on this release even extends to the printing of the labels, which on these discs are a homage to the 1959 Columbia six eye design. Without your info, I'm sure it would have been a lot more work for me to build up my system and collection of records. Going back over the pictures of jackets accompanying mono white label promos, three fabricator codes are found: 2, 4, and 6. Only one -1A/ -1B/ or -1Cstereo six-eye was found, claimed as mythical 1B/1B of which I am highly sceptical. Mark Wilder let Stereophile editor John Atkinson thread the reel. I can verify that when sets of lacquers were cut for an album or a single, at least one set was shipped to Canada. Previously overlooked, there is some evidence that the distribution of promos and possibly manufacture may have been the work of more than one plant, possibly three. can lpc diagnose in missouri My account. With copies of KoB being pressed at three or four plants, it seems likely individual plants had their own work procedures. Enter the length or pattern for better results. Mono or Stereo - is it really just a matter of preference? That is 100,000 albums per lacquer. p.s. Did Teo ever say why he hated the Sony releases? It's not hard to find a reasonably priced version of most things, but given the amount of pressings, remasters etc of Kind of Blue - it's a f***ing minefield. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Unfortunately, the Kind of Blue mono master tape no longer exists. Happy holidays to all. Close micd saxophones often reveal the sound of the reed vibrating or "buzzing" especially when the sax is played somewhat softly as it is during the heads of So What. All other pressingseven the re-released copies from second and third generation mothers in 1959 and 1960 which sound very very good, are not the original artthey are approximations made at a later date with mastering notes recalled from the original session. (Model #s B8001, B8005-B8010) Some are listed as 2 chassis units. the typesetting differs, a small point-size round font on one line There are a very large number of 1D/1D and 1J/1J matchingletter pairs found, which all have the same one line album title label style. I've got the Dual Disc, the Mastersound version, and the 1997 cd. The Holy Grail, Kind of Blue, six eye stereo KoB 3. A lacquer includes Side 1 and Side 2. The Music On Vinyl Kind of Blue is indeed a deluxe package which offers considerable bang for the buck. Hey Mendo, let us know how the ultrasonic cleaner comes out. Hope that helps. As Marks reports, only the center channel microphones used by Davis and bassist Paul Chambers had "send and return" lines to and from the 30th street studios concrete echo chamber but leakage from the other instruments into their microphones, (plus the converted church's natural reverb), probably accounts for the recording's spacious ambience and its overall coherent reverberant field. My initial thought in reply to my questioner was the lazy answer, " it depends which you prefer" . Seems a bit confusing with all these different pressings. I just got the 2LP Classic Records stereo today and have had the blue 50th so I'm anxious to see how this compares. The Sony reissues are louder than their MoFi counterparts. 2001-2023 Head-Fi.org. More rock n roll. Record comes packaged separate from the jacket, in a plain white cardboard sleeve and a Nagaoka-style clear half-moon inner sleeve. The mysteryis the missing lacquers the nextletters which never appear on any side of any monocopy of Kind of Blue: E, F, K andL. None appear in the auctions sampleor the reader survey. In preparation for the commercial release, Columbia engineers cut at least 27 identical lacquers from the first master tape mix, one set mono, the other stereo. During these sessions both a mono and a three-track stereo master were created, using a total of four tape recorders running in synchronisation one prime recorder and one safety backup each for mono and stereo.